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During an interview with the New Yorker that was published on Monday, Giuliani first said - as proof the BuzzFeed story was wrong - that he listened to tapes.

"The best he could do is, 'We talked about it, I knew he was running with it, I honestly didn't pay much attention to it, '" Giuliani said, characterizing Trump's memory. The reporters did not bother to include the key claims from their unnamed sources - like that the allegation was supposedly confirmed "through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents" or that not only did Trump know about the ongoing Moscow real estate negotiations, both Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. were receiving "regular, detailed updates" from Cohen.

"The president couldn't tell you the exact day it started and the exact day it ended; he remembers it started and he remembers it ended", Giuliani said, but nothing more.

Giuliani also distanced himself from comments he made Sunday in which he claimed Trump and his aides had been involved in discussions about the Moscow project well into the 2016 campaign - even possibly as late as October or November of that year. Trump publicly encouraged the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton's private server, though he later said he was joking.

Trump's discussions with Cohen about the Moscow project - regardless of when they ended - happened while Trump cozied up to Russian Federation with his rhetoric on the campaign trail.

"My recent statements about discussions during the 2016 campaign between Michael Cohen and then-candidate Donald Trump about a potential Trump Moscow "project" were hypothetical and not based on conversations I had with the President", Giuliani said in a statement to ABC News. Giuliani told the Times that the president told him that conversations about the project were "going on from the day I announced to the day I won". Saying that the talks ended in January 2016 was a lie, Cohen admitted. "Our answers cover until the election", Giuliani told NBC's "Meet The Press." And as long as they didn't collude and make a specific agreement ahead of time, Trump would get his Trump Tower and Putin would get relief from sanctions. The whole thing is problematic for them, though, and maybe Giuliani doesn't understand this, that it's all one big conspiracy....

Senator Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee who appeared as a guest on the same show as Giuliani, said, "That is news to me".


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